One look at Shaun Chen’s Instagram account will tell you that he’s a loving husband and father. The 42-year-old gave love a second chance in 2014, three years after his divorce from actress Michelle Chia.

Shaun’s relationship with his wife, 31-year-old Celine Chin, was mostly kept under wraps for over a year until October 2015 when he announced that he was married and had a baby on the way. In this week’s episode of Quan Yifeng’s talk show Hear U Out, he revealed how he got to know Celine and why he doesn’t have lofty expectations of his daughters, Nellie, five, and Neia, three.

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